Klemmer And Associates Overview
Klemmer And Associates has a 2.2-star rating, derived from feedback provided by 34 customers. In the Courses and Trainings category, it secures the 20th position out of 151 companies.
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Website
www.klemmer.com
Phone
(800) 577-5447
1340 Commerce St., Suite G, Petaluma, California, 94954, United States
Klemmer And Associates Reviews
No
Avoid.
Original review Jun 19, 2023
I attended a personal mastery a couple years ago at the encouragement of a friend and then his mentor. The first weekend was full of people I knew so clearly he invited everyone he knew. At first it seemed okay. Day two lunch the leader, Mike had us go into lunch groups and made sure Klemmer people were mixed in with us. The lunch was them telling us how it has changed their lives and how we need to do it. They kept asking how many were committing. Then they pushed on those of us who said we werent committing. Didnt we care about our future?! It would be life changing! The red and black game was horrible. People I cared about were screaming at me while the people who invited all of us stared on like we were monkeys in a zoo and they were studying our behavior. I left disgusted and pissed off. Day 2 was horrible. I am assuming this is the breaking down piece but all it did to me was disgust me that a friend would subject me to this. I almost did not return for Day 3 but I wanted to at least share with friends how they made me and others feel. When the next day I stood up tell them all what I thought of this disgusting situation. The whole time, Mike kept interrupting and basically talking at me and coaching me. It was so frustrating. I am very skeptical of things so this did not work on me but I watched it work on those who went after I did. I was met with I am so proud of you!. Like I had some huge breakthrough at their hands. It was awkward. Then we were heavily encouraged to drop stupid money for a retreat. I told multiple people No and they offered money off and to share Klemmer points. I did not do it and I am happy I did not. Mike started off being funny and telling jokes at his own expense. Then they sort you into personality groups and he made fun of us and shared our strengths. It was like whip lash emotionally. He truly did knock us down to build us up, which sadly was very easy to see through. Im sorry others couldnt. All but two people that I knew, signed up. Another guy I met that weekend called it bs and left so they got all of us but us three. Thats a lot of money. People were encouraged to split it over credit cards to afford it. Theyd also generously divide it over credit cards. Just commit and the money would be there! We all watched our friends be sucked further and further into this. While our friends were at the next retreat, I was getting calls telling me how amazing I am and how they knew Id want to help them raise money for this charity. I said no to them each time. There was another retreat this weekend and my social media feed is full of this amazing time. Yet, some are selling their personal items that arent cheap so Im assuming its to afford the next retreat because it lines up date wise. Ive seen people drastically change in this and only associate with Klemmer people. If you are one of those that think this is amazing and you find friends and business associates avoiding lunches and coffee meeting with youits probably because of this. Nobody wants to be sold to all the time.
Anonim
Warning – beware the Klemmer Kult Kon
I wanted to share my personal experience and opinion after attending Klemmer and Associates, Advanced Leadership Seminar (ALS) at their Bandera, Texas ranch, so that others would not fall victim to this firms program of bait-and-switch, psychological abuse, and cult indoctrination. I became involved with Klemmer on the advice of a friend I have know and trusted for years. Little did I know he had been brainwashed as a Klem-bot. At the first Personal Mastery weekend seminar, the instructor delivered some interesting content which was open ended but led directly to a sales pitch about their next fantastic ALS retreat. I made the huge mistake of signing up without doing any background checks. I should have known when they failed to provide the typical cancellation forms required by the FTCs Buyers Remorse Rule that something was not right about this company. I have regretted signing up ever since. A month later when I arrived at their isolated seminar location, my anticipation immediately turned to disappointment, frustration and then outright fear. The 4-star accommodations they promised were nothing more than old, overcrowded bunkhouses with no privacy. The mental manipulation started immediately with our group being told not to veer off the sidewalks because of what may be lurking in the grass. The seminar room had double curtains on all the windows, the main fire exit was blocked by a large display table, and heavy sliding doors reinforced the closed environment. The whole week just got creepier and more cult-like from then on. I started planning how I could get out. We were asked to fill out and sign off several forms which were not disclosed to us before our arrival. Since we were now in a closed compound with no easy way out, I felt under duress to complete all the forms. Next came an hour-long session on their rules how to sit, how to stand, how NOT to use any hand gestures all week long. Our entry into the classroom was timed with a stopwatch multiple times each day, and long, yelling lectures were given if so much as one person had their notebook out of place. Obviously these shysters were playing their authority card. If a person stood up with a concern, they were immediately cut off at the knees. It quickly got to the point that no one would say anything except what was expected for fear of the facilitators ire. And what pieces of work this facilitator and her henchman were. The drama, traumatic stories, militaristic rhetoric, and egotism displayed by their so-called leader would make a certified psychopath seem normal in comparison. This was all well-planned crazy-making to throw the attendees off guard and make them easier cult targets. This event was marketed as a leadership seminar, but the only leadership I witnessed was that of a dictator, barking out commands one minute, and trying to weave together a set of unorganized points mixed with her personal trauma the next. It was truly mind-boggling, but I soon learned that was their intent. Instead of actually teaching leadership and character building skills, these are used as a ploy within which to wrap the real program of authoritative brainwashing into this multi-level marketing money cult. They used every psychological trick the book, from promptong students to rip open old emotional traumas, building false trust, propagating elitist authority, pretending fake comfort, and adoration to their disgraced cult founder. Long hours were made longer by ridiculous homework assignments and sleep deprivation further weakened the victims will power. Instead of education designed to benefit the individual, various exercises and games were played to build one large team of Klemmer followers. Examples of death and suicide were enacted that brought some to tears. There was not a day that went by where some poor soul was not enveloped by their own agonizing grief, while on more than one occasion the entire class was reduced to one sobbing, wailing cacophony. An outdoor day led to bruises and injuries which was followed by an over-hyped banquet which had the same dreary food we had been served all week. This was all a set-up to hard sell for the next continuing seminar. By this time their brainwashing was really setting in and many in our class looked dazed as if they were in a post-apocalyptic movie. Those that signed up received a sticker for their name tag so the facilitators could easily identify and hard-sell those that had not yet signed up. I saw people who could hardly afford to be there commit to the next 7-day seminar. Some who could not afford this were told to leverage their credit cards, borrow from family, or spend the money they had saved to open their own business or support an aged parent. I had to ask myself how many would blindly continue down this cult path of giving their hard earned money and valuable time to receive the most meager scraps of advice which they could have more easily found on the Internet years ago. Most objectionable to me was the hypocrisy of it all. For a company to claim to foster leadership and character, but then to do just the opposite and act as vampires to their clients money, time, and emotions, is one of the worst things I have ever witnessed. Whatever you wish to call it, bait-and- switch, MLM pyramid scheme, the long con, a money cult, and who knows what else lurks in the greedy minds of these cult leaders, this personal destruction is not for anyone that truly wants to better themselves. These antics should be against the law and probably would be if there was any accountability whatsoever. Needless to say, Klemmer is the last place one would want to look for business or personal development. Do yourself a big favor and stay well clear of these abusers. Beware the Klemmer Kult Kon. All this has been my personal opinion.
Too
Warning - Insidious Money Cult!
After spending a week at the Klemmer and Associates Advanced Leadership Seminar (ALS) in Bandera, Texas, my personal opinion and conclusion is that this entire company is an INSIDIOUS MONEY CULT that preys on uninformed young people and others who are willing to spend thousands of dollars trying to overcome personal challenge and better themselves. The $3,000 ALS content included almost nothing about true leadership. Instead we were tossed stale, minuscule morsels of business and personal advice wrapped up in a very unorganized boot camp LGAT format. I witnessed their lead trainer as having one of the biggest egos I have ever seen, and she was a master of the type of bullying, showmanship, and cult initiation control tactics which formed the basis of the brainwashing I witnessed. All of the scary cult boxes were checked: targeting susceptible individuals, isolation, forced obedience, installing fear, team (surrogate family) rhetoric, long exhausting sessions, sleep deprivation, deception including fake comfort, hiding true intent, prize-promising, elitism, induced dependency, and several other forms of surreptitious manipulation including ultimate devotion to their late founder and namesake. Students were coerced to recount and relive their own personal tragedies, which made them extremely emotionally vulnerable and susceptible to Klemmers greedy manipulation. These and other non-stop tactics left us exhausted and with reduced mental capacity to fend off their continued psychological onslaught. The majority of students were coerced into continuing with this cult. Abusive mind control at its worst - what a shameful spectacle! The actual business and personal development content could have easily been taught in a day of remote learning. But this was stretched out and wrapped up in a very carefully conceived plan to trap the participant into a lifetime of giving their money and their free time as volunteer staff. After a week of this compelling confusion, many students are left in a daze. Its obvious to me that this company is all about growing its finances on the backs of unwitting sheep. Most disturbing to me is the hypocrisy of it all. They purport to help their followers, but instead they act as parasites, sucking the financial and emotional life out of them. To me it looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen. In conclusion, I have been studying and participating in personal development my entire adult life and I have worked with many fantastic teachers. I have never experienced anything close to this Klemmer circus sideshow, which is the antithesis of individual success. No reputable trainer would ever stoop to this level of unsubstantiated cult rhetoric and such antics which are so destructive to the individual. My personal advice is to stay as far away from Klemmer and Associates as you possibly can. If you are in need of business and personal development help, please start by doing your homework. There are a lot of great, inspirational, honest personal development leaders out there today. Many of them give free training and thorough examples of their teachings with full explanations. I trusted the advice of a friend, and did not do my due diligence to background check these Klemmer cultists. So it cost me five grand in tuition and travel, a week of lost work, plus many more hours of time to unpack and compartmentalize the psychological assault I received. Please learn from my incredibly stupid mistake, and dont let this happen to you.
Anonim
Warning - Klemmer is an insidious money cult.
After spending a week at the Klemmer and Associates Advanced Leadership Seminar (ALS) in Bandera, Texas, my personal opinion and conclusion is that this entire company is an INSIDIOUS MONEY CULT that preys on uninformed young people and others who are willing to spend thousands of dollars trying to overcome personal challenge and better themselves. The $3,000 ALS content included almost nothing about true leadership. Instead we were tossed stale, minuscule morsels of business and personal advice wrapped up in a very unorganized boot camp LGAT format. I witnessed their lead trainer as having one of the biggest egos I have ever seen, and she was a master at the type of bullying, showmanship, and cult initiation control tactics which formed the basis of the brainwashing I witnessed. All of the scary cult boxes were checked: targeting susceptible individuals, isolation, forced obedience, installing fear, team (surrogate family) rhetoric, long exhausting sessions, sleep deprivation, deception including fake comfort, hiding true intent, prize-promising, elitism, induced dependency, and several other forms of surreptitious manipulation including ultimate devotion to their late founder and namesake. Students were coerced to recount and relive their own personal tragedies, which made them extremely emotionally vulnerable and susceptible to Klemmers greedy manipulation. These and other non-stop tactics left us exhausted and with reduced mental capacity to fend off their continued psychological onslaught. The majority of students were coerced into continuing with this cult. Abusive mind control at its worst - what a shameful spectacle! The actual business and personal development content could have easily been taught in a day of remote learning. But this was stretched out and wrapped up in a very carefully conceived plan to trap the participant into a lifetime of giving their money and their free time as volunteer staff. After a week of this compelling confusion, many students are left in a daze. Its obvious to me that this company is all about growing its finances on the backs of unwitting sheep. Most disturbing to me is the hypocrisy of it all. They purport to help their followers, but instead they act as parasites, sucking the financial and emotional life out of them. To me it looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen. In conclusion, I have been studying and participating in personal development my entire adult life and I have worked with many fantastic teachers. I have never experienced anything close to this Klemmer circus sideshow, which is the antithesis of individual success. No reputable trainer would ever stoop to this level of unsubstantiated cult rhetoric and such antics which are so destructive to the individual. My personal advice is to stay as far away from Klemmer and Associates as you possibly can. If you are in need of business and personal development help, please start by doing your homework. There are a lot of great, inspirational, honest personal development leaders out there today. Many of them give free training and thorough examples of their teachings with full explanations. I trusted the advice of a friend, and did not do my due diligence to background check these Klemmer cultists. So it cost me five grand in tuition and travel, a week of lost work, plus many more hours of time to unpack and compartmentalize the psychological assault I received. Please learn from my incredibly stupid mistake, and dont let this happen to you.
Narcisa
Opposite of what I expected
I would like to share my personal experience and opinion to help others avoid the horror show perpetrated by Klemmer and Associates. I attended a $350 Klemmer Personal Mastery (PM) weekend seminar in 2022 and their $3,095 Advanced Leadership Seminar (ALS) in 2023 based on the recommendation of a friend. Even though the PM seminar left me feeling conflicted about moving to the next level, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. That was a huge mistake. On arrival, we were all given various legal forms which I felt I had no choice but to sign because I had already committed to the week and was thousands of miles from home with no easy out. At the Kamp Klemmer ranch I immediately discovered that my 4-Star accommodations were actually a tiny duplex bunkhouse with 10 uncomfortable bunk beds more suitable for children. The 5-day seminar opened with a set of rules which set the student up for failure, including requirements for the class to all sit in their seats like statues with no hand gestures whatsoever allowed all week long. Our entry into the seminar room was timed with a stopwatch. Then came the drama, with the lead instructor yelling at the class one minute and gently lecturing the next. Intermixed were exercises designed to emotionally break and exhaust the student, with lots of fanfare leading to banal moral lessons or dated practical lessons. Though it was stated that anyone could leave at any time, the seminar location was remote with no readily available transportation. We were told to choose buddies for the week based on our negative perception of them, which we were instructed to state directly to them as an introduction. We were then told to commit to them for the week, making it harder to bail out. The fire exit was blocked off and we were told never to touch the main exit doors. On day one I found myself planning an immediate escape if needed. The days were long and further lengthened by homework assignments that were also set-ups for failure. Sleep deprivation soon developed, with more harsh lecturing which included horror stories about the presenters past as a prerequisite to our laying our souls bare to others in our group. Further exercises caused the entire class to cry and wail in unison on multiple occasions as a false catharsis purporting to heal old wounds. I witnesses the majority of our class slowly falling into cultist servitude as the main lecturer directed the classs loyalty to the organization's late founder. I have never experienced brainwashing firsthand, and was astounded how quickly mass hysteria could generate an unconscious, cult following. One of the most disturbing events was a battle game based on feudal Japan. Combatants fought mock contests until all the warriors on one side were dead, and ended with the losing chieftain told to commit suicide in order to release the souls of his fallen warriors. The chieftain's flag bearer was then told to either join the opposing army or their family would be killed. This student was petrified to give a response, and was bullied be the seminar leader to the point of breakdown. I was left with the impression this game was originally designed to tech deeper moral lessons, but these were cast aside in favor of egocentric theatrics. To be fair, there were several lessons with merit, but the drama one had to endure to get the lessons point made if far from worthwhile, with tons of pomp and circumstance, for ounces of insight. We had a chilly outdoor activity day that left several of us bruised and one student injured. This was followed by a banquet where the only difference from the other meals were tablecloths and sparkly decorations on the tables. It was just a setup for what came next, a hard sell for the next 7-day seminar, called Heart of the Samurai. Discounts were offered for immediate commitment and forms were handed out. There were no cancellation forms distributed or mentioned at this seminar or the previous one, as required by the Federal Trade Commissions Buyers Remorse / Cooling-Off Rule, which clearly applies to these situations. Those who signed up had a heart-shaped sticker placed on their name badge so the instructors could selectively target those who had not yet signed up, and I was approached three times with different hard-sell sales pitches that I uncomfortably declined. When someone did commit there was a loud yell: So-and-So is going to Heart! which was followed by a big group cheer. I knew that several attendees had leveraged their credit cards to be there and could not afford the $3,500 tuition plus thousands more of undisclosed costs for accommodation and travel to get to the next level, but there they were, signing up. I spoke with one student who had saved thousands towards opening their own business, but had instead promised these funds to Klemmer. A new friend of mine had told me that he had unequivocally promised himself that he would not be sold, but he was pressured to sign up anyway. I felt heartbroken for some of these vulnerable young people and broken adults who were genuinely trying to improve themselves or heal from tragedy, but were instead simply being sold snake oil. To summarize the value I received from a weeks investment of my time, half of what they taught I already knew from other work I had done, and that was not presented nearly as well as I had learned it previously. So, zero value with that recap. A quarter of what I experienced was bullying, egotistical, greedy, negative, offensive, or simply wasteful of time. So a big value loss with that. And finally, a quarter of what was presented was insightful and thought provoking, albeit lacking in depth of explanation. So a small value gain there. Do the math: a big zero plus a big loss plus a small gain does not equal positive value. If they took all the things related to becoming more aware of ones biases, blinders, motivations, and struggles, and related these to becoming more connected and committed to ones inner self, they could have easily done this in less than one eight-hour day. But instead they capitalized on their own clients to increase their profits and cult following. What a shameful disrespect and waste of human potential - the exact opposite of what one should expect! I cant remember the last time I sighed such a breath of relief as when I disembarked the Klemmer express bus and made my way to my flight home. TSA seemed like a jolly crew compared to what I had just experienced. It took several days after returning home to process what I had endured and fought off, and Im sure I was suffering from a huge mental hangover after only a week of Klemmer. Writing this note has helped me to come to grips with the fact that I spent thousands of dollars and lost significant income from work only to experience such psychological abuse and wasted time. My best take-away is that I did not succumb to such overwhelming mental pressures. I can now easily recognize this breed of charlatanism, so I will never make this mistake again, and can perhaps help others avoid this pitfall. I presume that the majority of the friends I made do not share my interpretation of the weeks events. However, how would one know if they have been thoroughly brainwashed into a cult? Though many from our class are already sharing their new perspectives, they are behaving as programmed and thanking Klemmer. Instead they should realize that it is their new understanding of some very basic success techniques that are giving them their boost, and this may be short lived. These basics could have been taught without all the expense, wasted time, drama, and showmanship, and in a fraction of the time. So, to those fellow students I wish to apologize to those who may be offended by my opinion. But, sometimes a forced confidentiality agreement must be overcome by honest whistle-blowing for the greater good. Most Sincerely, Anonymous
Tammy
Helpful and than not so much
don't go, waste of time and money and they use mind control and games to manipulate you to keep going in their seminars. If you don't go all the way than you cannot become a true Klemmerite, which is basically the aspiration of all these people dressed in Red.
Anonim
Thanking Klemmer
To all those who responded to my post. Wow I hear the pain in your words. Apologies for hitting a sore spot. Like a desperate man, looking for a lost diamond in an open field, I search for wisdom wherever I can find it. Klemmer was nothing more than a tool to help me find wisdom for my life. Instead of venting your pain, you may try looking for wisdom. It truly makes for a happier life. Just imagine what your life would look like if you were liberated from the bruise and your experiences did not cause you such pain Luke 4:18. Selah. I have use the wisdom/lessons I learned at Klemmer to enrich my life. I have a better job and make more money in 3 short years. Klemmer didnt do that the Lord Jesus Christ did. Dont worry be happy. Life will make you bitter or better you choose. A merry heart does good like a medicine. The peace of God will pass all understanding and guard your heart and mind. Selah
Anonim
Attended multiple sessions, spent many thousands of dollars in hopes of a better life, marriage and family.
At first glance, it appears to be a very positive and encouraging program. I have personally witnessed exceptional change in lives of those around us. However, if you want to be verbally abused and bullied, join the military and save the money. The CEO of the company runs the ALS (second program) like a military drill sergeant hell-bent on tearing everyone down and pointing out all their flaws. She is vile, disrespecting and a bitter human being. She thrives on bully tactics and calling people names. She is a pro at what she does and being a bully is job #1 for her. Want to spend 10-20k and join the line of cool-aid drinkers in the "gang", this may be for you. They thrive on upselling and selling.
Anonim
Positive experience
I attended their Personal Mastery seminar over 20 years ago. It was a great experience and I received tools that have helped me ever since.
Anonim
Waste of time
Hot garbage. Had to sit all weekend and learn nothing and feel terrible about myself. All fluff. Makes you feel awkward. Literally sat from 6-12, 9-7, and then 9-6:30...
Anonim
Destroyed my family
Cult that destroys familys and takes your money
Anonim
Almost destroyed my family
Klemmer preys on damaged people!!! They draw out your child hood traumas and make you feel like no one but other Klemmer people can understand or truly love you. They use hypnosis tactics to reprogram your way of thinking to their way of thinking. They made my spouse of 14 yrs and 2 kids together 5 kids total in our family with believe that he would have to leave us in order to be his best self and be happy. We were weighing him down and unsupportive they claimed. Oh and that he didnt have to work anymore to make money he needed to network with others from Klemmer to make his decisions in life. He was turning to a woman that was set up as his check in contact/ secret contact Because according to Klemmer his wife would never fully understand him and that I was not to be trusted. Simply because I would not join the cult. In a nutshell this nearly destroyed me and destroyed my family. His contact was a woman that they set him up with at advanced training. So basically they were both having a Affair/long distance relationship with each other. I could go on about the affair they had at Klemmer and then emotional affair after they left advanced training. But Im sure you can all imagine what it has been like for me to deal with. It has been 5 months since he stopped communication with Klemmer and associates and started seeing things my way again. I did give in left him after finding everything out. He of course flipped out realizing that he was was going to loose half his money, properties and business and his kids. And where was Klemmer when all this started to happen they told him he needed to spend more money and go to heart event. Also the Klemmer girlfriend said she was out after I called her. So here we are in WA state today dealing with a life threatening virus stuck together as a family. We moved our daughter home from college and the younger kids school is closed down. And I ask again where is Klemmer no where!! False profits promising false hope who just want to take your money and get off on destroying family values and relationships.
Seth
I thought it was a Cult...
I would consider myself a fairly self-aware person. Self-made millionaire, happy marriage, thriving business. When my wife came home and said "You have to try this! ...also, I want to do the next one... and it's a little expensive", naturally, I googled it. 30 minutes later, I was convinced my wife had joined a cult. However, being a supportive husband, rather than creating a barrier between the two of us, I decided to try it for myself. Here is my experience of Klemmer: It is a great self-awareness seminar than many people could benefit from. I say self-awareness instead of self-help, because they do focus more on the "what do you do and why you behave this way" instead of the "this is how to fix it." I personally love this, because everyone has a unique situation- I felt empowered to come up with my own solutions, instead of being made false promises of a quick-fix or one-size-fits-all solution. Is it perfect, no. But at no point did I feel like I was forced or coerced into buying their product. Choice was ALWAYS given, and supported. The sales tactics are not my cup of tea (quick decision specials, rewards for being first to choose, etc.) but at no point did I feel that these methods were unethical. We were even told two days prior that there would be a sale, and that it would cost X dollars. Some exercises are really tough. And personal. Anyone has the option to not participate at all, or participate to a level that they are comfortable with. I personally, chose to play 100% and found great benefit. However, I know people that held back and also found benefit as well. Throughout the experience of the two seminars I have taken so far, I have felt in control of all of my decisions, and that the staff supported my choices. All the staff I have had interactions with (Diane, Kimberly, Krystal) have been wonderful. I am looking forward to attending another seminar in a few months- but have already seen large benefits to my marriage, my leadership, and my business in the few weeks since I have been home. I would highly recommend consideration of Klemmer and Associates. But would also recommend that both spouses attend the initial seminar together to cut down on any miscommunication.
JoAnne
RUN...a rip off
Updated by user Oct 17, 2019
Now the company rep, JoAnne will not return correspondence about transferring paid advanced leadership course. Once you get tired of being harassed and explain NO I just want my money back they side wind you. Try all kinds of tactics to convince you need them, stay...
Original review Oct 17, 2019
This leadership building company is a scam. SAVE YOUR MONEY and run. Its hard because they trap you into thinking you need them to be successful. It is high pressure. Do mot get involved in their web of deceit. They do not do refunds...under any circumstance. yet they call themselves a Christian organization. They refuse to respond back to me concerning transferring money paid to someone else. Its all about the money. Do your research and find another company
Murle
Stay Away from Klemmer and Associates - Personal Mastery, Champion Workshops for Direct Sellers - Here's Why
Klemmer and Associates Published data seems neither complete nor credible for comparison purposes for a prospective direct seller leader. Appears to be Just Marketing BS. The results are all over the map. Here are some questions for Klemmer and Associates - judging by results - often harsh always fair, as well as how was this data collected? Source and methods , add to the credibility of published results Klemmer and Associates claim to be a bold, ethical company developing leaders with character yes? Please explain data collection methods. Klemmer and Associates claims its Personal Mastery helps deliver results - 15% more income after 90 days of attending. Just enough to pay for the tuition of Personal Mastery - Not good enough! With travel and lost sales time with customers and prospects, could your direct sales force have actually lost their productivity? Here are my issues with Klemmer and Associates Personal Mastery results page: There was no comparison with a control group - those who did not attend Personal Mastery. IF the control group did just as well or better - Personal Mastery is a non factor. If the control group performed worse - does that mean Personal Mastery made the difference? We will never know as long as there is no comparison. See how MonaVie's results differ dramatically with Klemmer's "average". Income dropped by - 16% while Demonstrations increased by 37%. Why ? Will you pay for those results?? Neways Internationa demonstrations improved by 40%+, but income increased by 9% umm..Are we to infer Personal Mastery does not help with close rate but generates activity? Arbonne - Income increased 34% but demonstrations increased by, you ready? 1%. yes 1%!!! How was direct seller income and number of demonstrations verified ? By a third party for credibility or from customer's survey? What happened 9 to 18 months out after attending Personal Mastery? Was performance improvement still there or was it just within the "90-day Seminar High" Window? What is the experience level of the direct sellers ? At an average income of $3k/mo, these are experienced direct sellers vs newbies? Can anyone with direct selling experience and Personal Mastery explain the data? Want to hear from clients not Klemmer and Associates. "Results" published are incomplete, not meaningful , too much variance and difficult to conclude whether it is worth the time and money. For attitudinal and personal development feedback, Klemmer and Associates Facebook page is full of happy campers - so maybe its good for the self, but not for the business?
Lameisha
Klemmer and Associates Workshop want your downlines!! RUN!!
I am a global ISAGENIX distributor, I would NOT recommend Klemmer and Associates workshop, Here is why: Klemmer and associates workshops is in the business of belief and recruiting. My suspicion is that the emphasis on "belief and perpetual recuriting" is what gives it a cult-like following and klemmer and associates a cult feel. In direct selling world our belief is in self/product/results for client - not in a seminar and recruiting others to go to a seminar - thats Klemmer's business not ours. The "sharing" with their "friends and families" has a familiar feel - but its short term emotion driven. Unsustainable, and very short term momentum. ======================================= The challenge with this type of training is the client is not self-empowered vs "training-empowered" - they feel they have to go back and "staff" be "involved" , the power is still outside of the client, or perceived by most of the client. The conversation is "about personal responsibility" however the clients I sent were more"empowered and attached to the seminars" vs themselves and what they can accomplish...does not last. Productivity fell ============= When my ISAGENIX downline went, there were a lot of excitement for about 3 weeks. But the excitement was about "sharing" the "personal stories" they heard about their "buddies and seminar team". Attrition Went up ============== Something about Klemmer Workshops and from what I read LGAT workshops seems to ignite "Leaving". Leaving a business, a relationship, right into the arms of more Klemmer Workshops. Not what we paid for. Though people leave for their own personal reasons, an "EXODUS" from the business into promoting " Klemmer Champions Workshop" does not help build a business. Klemmer Workshops, if not managed effectively, can destroy downlines. Some of our people had to rebuild. Too much "philosophy and doctrine" - creating debate and conversation and our people losing focus on what ISAGENIX is here to do to serve society. Our downlines engaged in philosophical discussions and treated the facilitators as "star personalities" vs consultants we hired. Some of Klemmer's Facilitators are mere social workers at best, and eventually discovered to be "emperor has no clothes" as they suffer from an abundance mentality. We do not want them near our downlines. Loyalty and "servant Leadership" may be healthy for Klemmer and Associates to create a "cult following" - but we are in the business of enhancing people'slives thru our products. Our goal is not to follow a particular "doctrine or a church-like sermon on values of a compassionate Samurai". Plundering downlines for Klemmer's own Marketing ends =========================================== This type of Klemmer Workshops essentially leverages on our team's hard work and efforts in building a business, and offering trainings to our dowlines, while reducing Klemmer's own marketing efforts. They market to groups that someone else build. Do your own marketing !! In the name of leaving "no one behind" we helped with building some champions workshops. DONE ! We DO NOT WANT Champion's Incentives to build more Champion's workshops for Klemmer and Associates. Our message to Klemmer and Associates - :" Hire your own marketing staff, to build your Klemmer Workshops" not take advantage of Direct Sellers Downlines. That is not a WIN-WIN, no matter what your CHAMPIONS INCENTIVE to hang out with your " questionable Facilitators" Be ETHICAL. Practice your own Leadership and build your own Character.